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Our Land – Please be patient with me

What day is it?  It’s Wednesday! Wednesdays are for empathy and wonder!  I am honored (she would say honoured) to feature another excellent writer in the Our Land Series which began here because you guys were so supportive and wonderful. I’ve recently gotten to know Lizzi (aka The Considerer at Considerings) and am so very glad for it. She’s prolific, brilliant, insightful and does a really good job of actively seeking thankfulness and contentment in a difficult situation. Lizzi is responsible for coming up with the Ten Things of Thankful weekend share which has been an empowering experience for me, along with countless others.  It’s easy to let life’s frustrations and roadblocks get us down. Writing ten things that I’m thankful for each week is a way to remember how blessed and lucky we truly are. The best part? You, too, can join in. It’s live each weekend, all weekend. Anyway. I ramble. Presenting Lizzi and her excellent reminder of empathy and wonder.

Please be patient with me…

I love the idea of Our Land. One of the things which inspires me most about the blogosphere is the amazing platform we have to influence one another for good, or better, for awesome. The posts so far have been an education – I now have solid, concrete advice for how to deal with some of the more awkward social encounters which might take place:

  • If a child is playing up and their parent is struggling; don’t judge; give them a break!
  • If a person looks disabled – don’t ask to know about their disability; get to know them. If they want to share later, they will.
  • If a person seems to be excluded – don’t let it lie; join them in.

In reading these, I felt inspired to share a little of my world and offer some solid, concrete advice for those who may come up against it in their own situations.

This is the world of primary infertility – a world which (within a species designed to reproduce and a social structure which makes other people’s efforts so to do a popular topic of conversation) causes instant squirmy discomfort on both sides upon first contact.

To give you some background, the diagnosis of infertility belongs to my husband (which means that we, as a couple, are infertile, even though I am technically still capable of bearing children) and arrived earlier than expected (he has global endocrine disorders and his eventual treatment will render him permanently infertile), shortly after our second miscarriage.

And believe me, two miscarriages are bad enough, but a post-loss diagnosis of infertility adds serious insult to injury.

At the moment, we’re in a position of waiting to see whether treatment can a) make him feel better in himself and b) reinstate any level of fertility so that we can pursue a medically assisted pregnancy. We’re trying to stay positive, and it’s really tough.

The impact other people have (particularly on me) is astonishing and I can be raised up or brought tumbling down by seemingly innocuous comments and situations. As far as other people are concerned, there are ways to handle it (I have discovered) and ways to definitely not. So here’s the ‘How To…’

1. Please be patient with me. Every month I have a painful, physical reminder of the manner in which I lost my two children – two pregnancies which have turned out to be bitterly ironic, as I may not have any more. This hurts more than I can say. If there seems to be a monthly pattern in my mood dipping, my forgetting things, my being unable to engage with what’s going on with life, and generally being bad company, please bear with me. Don’t expect too much of me – I’m already aware that I’m letting people down and dropping balls all over the place and the plates I’ve been spinning have crashed to the floor. Please don’t make it worse.

2. Please don’t be offended by me. Seeing you with your children hurts. The sight of a newborn with his mother is something I now endure rather than enjoy. If you have a big, fat, pregnant belly, I’m probably going to glare at it and turn away from you. I don’t want to upset you and I’m glad that you have your children/babies/pregnant tummy, and I truly don’t begrudge you – you really do deserve your wonderful family and I’d never want to take that from you or wish you ill; I Just. Can’t. Look. Not yet.

3. Please don’t be upset if I block your updates. Babies and children are a cause to celebrate. I truly, truly get that, but if you repeatedly present me with information on their every moment, I will be cutting down on the amount of information I let you share with me. I want to be glad for you. I want to rejoice with you, but everything you post is like a stab to the heart which then echoes around my empty, unfulfilled uterus.

4. Please don’t come to me when you’re struggling with your children. I know I used to be a good shoulder to cry on, and I will still offer a listening ear on other topics, but if you come to me complaining about your kids, I might just haul off and punch you right in your fecund vagina. I know you’re tired and fed up and haven’t managed to have a shower in a month and haven’t eaten properly in two, but I would give almost anything (except my womb) to be in your position. And if you joke about the hard time you’re having and whether I’d like to take one of them off your hands, you and I will rapidly fall out. It’s not funny – it makes you appear ungrateful for the thing I desire most in the world.

5. If you don’t know me, please don’t ask “Do you have children?” I know it seems like a relatively harmless conversation starter, but this casual, throwaway question leaves me feeling like I’ve just been emotionally assaulted. Just talk to me about the situation we’re in. If, at some point, it becomes pertinent, I’ll tell you I can’t have children and how much I’d like to, and how difficult it is, but if not, then it’s really none of your business anyway.

6. Please don’t make suggestions. Unless you have an intimate understanding of our situation (in which case you’ll know what the problem is, what will and won’t help, and will probably have more sense than to chip in with your five eggs), just don’t. Just relaxing won’t make it happen. Trying to adopt won’t make me suddenly fall pregnant. If it’s God’s Plan for my life, I don’t want to hear about it, nor would I like to know your take on His Timing. By all means agree with me that it’s a terrible, painful situation and sympathise, but don’t try to make it palatable.

7. Don’t belittle my losses. They weren’t ‘only’ early miscarriages, they were my children. They were human lives in their earliest form. And they died and I don’t have them, and that’s very tough to manage. There is no silver lining to infertility and I don’t want to ‘work on my career’. I want children. I want a family. I want to feel complete. If your opinion is that my pain doesn’t matter or shouldn’t be important, please keep it firmly to yourself.

8. And most importantly, for Pete’s sake, please, please don’t give me the ‘Pity Face’. That ‘head on one side’, ‘eyes wrinkled up’, ‘lips pursed downwards’ look that makes me want to break things.

You probably will pity me – I’m in a pitiable situation. I’m one of those anomalies who can’t have children and it’s unnatural. I know that. But internalise it, okay, because otherwise I can’t guarantee I’ll be able to stay in control.

Sadly, the list of ways you can help is fairly superficial – there’s only so much you can do – you can’t fix it, you can’t heal my pain, and you can’t resurrect my lost babies. But you can improve upon my day.

1. Do sympathise. I know it’s a sucky situation, but to hear you genuinely recognise that and acknowledge it, helps. Say things like “That must be really difficult” or “I hope things change for the better” and mean it. Then, if I don’t seem to continue the conversation into ‘infertility turf’, know that it helped and it was sufficient.

2. Do appreciate your children. It’s hard enough that you have them and I don’t, but seeing children being screamed at, hit, smoked near, neglected or abused *really* sticks in my craw. Your children are precious, they are miracles, and yes they can be little shites, but mostly they are wonderful, full of potential and yours. Don’t waste them.

3. Do share your own experiences. If you or someone you know has faced miscarriage or infertility, feel free to tell me about it. If nothing else it reassures me that I’m not alone.

4. Do offer to distract me with something shiny. If you feel in the position to offer a visit; a day out; an email, please do – sometimes I want to get out of my own brain for a while and indulge in something fun. Feel free to offer to help me forget all about it for a while, but don’t be upset if I’m not able to take you up on it at the moment – that fluctuates.

5. Do listen to me. I have a lot on my plate and it’s made easier if I feel I can vent my feelings, anxieties and frustrations in your direction without fear of judgement or being called an infertility bore. The intensity won’t last forever (I hope) but at the moment I need you to listen, I need you to acknowledge, and I need you to care that I’m hurting.

6. Do let me cry. This is one of the hardest things, and although I’d love to maintain my desperate grip on controlling myself, sometimes a tear or several will slip out. Don’t be embarrassed, just offer me a tissue. If you offer me a hug, I may cry more, so be prepared for that. Crying is good for me; I just haven’t accepted that yet.

7. Do remind me that there are other good things in life, and help me see them. Because there are, and it’s easy to miss them when everything is coloured dark by the ‘Can’t have kids’ glasses. But it’s important for me to remember that there are things I can be thankful about and things which make every day worth a go.

8. Finally, and possibly the most important thing you can do is share this post. So few people know about my world and even fewer are equipped to handle it well when they bump into one of the inhabitants. I really want my world to be included in Our Land, and the way to make that happen is to share understanding, show support and develop compassion, all of which begins with knowledge. And that’s right here.

And that’s right here. I told you she was incredible. Friends, I really want Lizzi’s world to be included in Our Land, too.  Don’t you?  If you don’t know her already, please go check her out.  Her recent post, in which she interviewed her Sub Conscious, was epic. Her bio:

I’m Lizzi (a.k.a. Considerer), a non-professional blogger from the UK. I have been married since 2010, blogging since August 2012 and discovered we were going to have fertility problems in September 2012. I love the platform the blogosphere provides to offer solidarity, comfort, humour and hope in the real stories of real people. I am pleased and honoured to be part of it, and that even such devastating experiences as miscarriage and infertility can be used to touch people’s lives and bring a little positive.


  • Janine Huldie - I look forward to this series every week now and Lizzi thank you so much fro being so brave and courageous in sharing your story here with all of us. I did know q bit from following you on your own blog, but your words and message are very clear and quite inspiring. Thank you seriously and seriously keep doing your thing. You are truly amazing and you are totally entitled and then some to your feelings and emotions. You own them quite profoundly.June 26, 2013 – 9:43 amReplyCancel

  • Kerri - I have a very dear friend who suffers (is that the right word) from infertility. Last summer we were out and she finally told me that it was difficult for her to be around us with the girls. That she loves and enjoys them but it always leaves her feeling left out. She and her husband have a great marriage and have accepted (their words, not mine) that they will never have children. But it took them a long time to have peace with that acceptance. Like you, I am sure, they would have been the best parents in the world. I only say this to tell you while you may gain peace, it will be hard fought for and you will be tripped up now and again. But you are not alone and that (I hope) brings some comfort.

    Thank you for sharing your pain. You are right that we sometimes take our kids for granted, even those who struggle.June 26, 2013 – 9:59 amReplyCancel

  • Diane - Lizzi, thank you.June 26, 2013 – 10:43 amReplyCancel

  • Cyndi - Your words brought tears to my eyes. I suffered a miscarriage in 2011 right after my oldest brother was killed in a car accident and my cat died on the same freakin’ day.
    We couldn’t try again for awhile. I just couldn’t. Too.Much.Trauma.
    Now, we are trying again…and started sometime in 2012.
    Nothing’s happened.
    And I don’t have health insurance – yes, to add insult to injury. I hope to get it back through my job, soon, but for now, we can’t even go find out what’s wrong.
    Maybe I don’t want to know.
    And yes, my half sister with her three kids (she just had one in March) who is ten years younger than I am…
    And I didn’t want kids until a few years ago because I didn’t know if I’d make a good enough mother…
    And now I feel like life is punishing me for waiting until I was ready.
    And dang…sorry…I just let it all out here…but it is nice that someone out there understands.
    Sniff sniff.June 26, 2013 – 10:55 amReplyCancel

  • Melissa@Home on Deranged - When I had my molar pregnancy, my ob-gyn said to me, “It wasn’t really ever a baby, after all.” I wanted so badly to scream, “Maybe not to you!” But instead, I cried. Rivers. Buckets. Daily. Nightly. Thank you for offering this insight and giving others some hints on how to talk about loss.June 26, 2013 – 11:53 amReplyCancel

  • Considerer - Not sure if I can respond to these as slickly as Kristi manages, but we’ll see!

    Janine – I’ve really valued your support and feedback over at mine, and I do appreciate your ongoing presence there. It’s great having that platform to provide such honesty, even in the stark moments, but I am LOVING that I’ve been invited into Our Land to continue spreading the knowledge, understanding and empathy.

    Kerri – ‘Suffer’ is exactly the right word. It’s such an inbuilt thing to the human psyche, to reproduce, to follow the patterns of our ancestors, to ensure the survival of our gene pool…and to be so harshly thwarted is no less than suffering. It’s really good that your friend has a strong enough friendship with you that she feels comfortable to share her struggles with you. That’s a very precious thing.

    I am further on the path to peace now, but it’s very hard won and there are relapses. I’ll get there, but in the meantime, thanks for looking out for your friend and being there for her 🙂

    Diane – you’re welcome; every little helps and knowledge is power – if all I have done today is help Kristi’s readers to understand a little more about something which is rarely acknowledged, I shall consider that an awesome accomplishment.

    Cyndi – MASSIVE hugs coming your way. Bad enough to have any of those things happen at any time, but three at once must’ve been horrific. And the guilt – ohmydays the guilt – the amount of times I’ve thought ‘If only I hadn’t wanted to go to college…if only we’ve gotten on with it straight away..if only, if only” but to keep grounded – if wishes were horses then beggars would ride, and there is no way but forwards. What’s happened in the past, both incidental and through my choices, is what’s brought me to where I am today, and I am 110% convinced that as terrible as it all has been, Good CAN come of it (like this post and raising awareness). I hope you have some luck on the TTC front soon – I have no doubt you’ll be a fab Mom (you’re a clark, aintcha? you’re more likely to tie yourself up in knots over-thinking it than anything else)

    Melissa – That’s SO HARSH! I would have been writing letters of complaint (in between crying). That was your child, your baby – the human life you created, in its earliest form. How very DARE she try to take that from you. Makes me so cross. I hope things are better for you now (and you have a different OB to go to)June 26, 2013 – 3:33 pmReplyCancel

  • Jennifer - Oh. Crying and sending support and understanding. I had four miscarriages. Thank you for sharing your perspective Lizzie. Thanks Krisit.June 26, 2013 – 5:53 pmReplyCancel

  • Deb @ Urban Moo Cow - This is truly an amazing post. First, I love the switch-up: so many women blogging about infertility are talking about their own, not their husband’s. It does bring up a whole different set of issues. I particularly liked #6 on the “don’t” list. Seriously. We are such a “fixer” society (British and American, apparently!)… the art of listening and empathizing has gone by the wayside.

    Thank you for sharing your story and your words. I’ll be sharing this all around. Look forward to seeing some more writing from you, and I’d like to participate in the Thankful blog hop next time, too. (Although, no promises, because I am shit a hops. Just a fact.)June 26, 2013 – 8:25 pmReplyCancel

  • Stephanie @ Mommy, for real. - Oh, Lizzi, I’m not even sure where to begin. Thank you SO much for writing this post. On behalf of anyone experiencing infertility, miscarriage, or even grief and loss of any kind. Your tips were so very helpful, and I hope many people read them and take them to heart. You somehow managed to find the perfect words to articulate what you are going through, and have the most beautiful self-awareness to voice what you need from those around you. I know that I am a mother of two now, but I have experienced three losses, and your words really resonated with me. Irrational or not, I didn’t want to see pregnant women, hear about babies not sleeping through the night, nor did I want to see the “pity face.” You are such a fantastic addition to this amazing series. Wow.June 26, 2013 – 9:40 pmReplyCancel

  • Anon - I am so thankful to read those thoughts. I’m pretty regularly commenting here but I’ve never talked about wanting to die after I felt like a not mom, thank you. I mean you didnt say you want to die but sometimes i do. not suicide, more a gift to moms who are and dont want to. am still having a hard time but we are looking at Ivf and taking a loan to adopt. We have faith. I hope we both get our dream. Thanks Kristi for having this today. I like them all but this means things to me. Thanks for finding lizzy to write this.June 27, 2013 – 12:40 amReplyCancel

  • Considerer - Jennifer – so sorry to hear that you’ve had so many losses. There are no words for that kind of heartbreak *hugs*June 27, 2013 – 2:32 amReplyCancel

  • Considerer - Deb – Thank you for your kind comments. I’m so glad to hear that after the heartbreak of three losses, you’re a happy mummy to two – that’s very encouraging. I hope one day I shall be.

    And yes – it’s like I’ve known it’s irrational to have such strong negative feelings, but there they still were, making me not able to cope. And it’s such an un-talked-about thing that I feel the levels of understanding (even if so many people have gone through it themselves) are relatively low. I only hope this post helps a few people learn a bit more about it.June 27, 2013 – 8:04 amReplyCancel

  • Considerer - Deb and Stephanie – so sorry – I’ve answered your comments with the names backwards! Deb’s reply is for Stephanie- I’ll now do an actual response to Deb *facepalm*

    Deb – you’re right – it brings such a different slant to it, and even in a facebook infertility group of 50 odd women, there are only two or three where the fertility issue is on the male side. It’s astonishing how rare our particular set of circumstances is, but it’s SO different to manage and cope with.

    Thanks for saying you’ll share this – the more people who know, the better! I hope to see you at the weekend in the blog hop if you make it over 🙂June 27, 2013 – 8:16 amReplyCancel

  • considerer - Dear Anon

    I don’t know if I will have seen your comments here or not but it sounds like you’ve had a really tough time to deal with. It’s hard to offer much through a comment box, but I feel where you’re coming from and you have my thoughts and prayers with you. If you ever want to talk, feel free to send me an email on parax2298@gmail.com – it’s the hardest thing to reconcile, and never easy to go through alone. I hope you have plenty of support from people around you *hugs*June 27, 2013 – 8:20 amReplyCancel

  • Kristi Campbell - I’m heading to work and will comment back to each of you as well but want to reach out to ANON. Please feel free to contact Lizzi directly or contact me. If you use the contact form (black bar on the side – left), you’ll email me directly. I am happy to give you my phone number as well if you’d like to talk or text. I’m so sorry you’re having such a rough time and I promise that there’s so much to live for. Loss is rough and I feel like you should really talk to somebody. Do you have a therapist or a friend who you can share your feelings with? I understand feeling like wanting to die but please know that there is so much to live for and that things will get better. I, myself was adopted. I am sure my parents felt much despair in trying to have children but things worked out for them. Life has a way of changing drastically in such a short time. Huge hugs.June 27, 2013 – 11:34 amReplyCancel

  • Sarah Almond - This is so well written and so informative-a lot of people don’t tend to look at the husband’s side of infertility. It does amaze me how people can be so insensitive to people in situations like yours when they say things! Thank you for listing not only the things NOT to do but the things TO do!

    That being said, I would love to come hang out with you and distract you with something shiny. 🙂

    Good luck in your journey-you will be an awesome mom when the time comes!June 27, 2013 – 1:51 pmReplyCancel

  • Considerer - Hi Sarah – thank you – shiny distractions are always helpful?

    Glad to have presented two good sides to it – and no, few people think about the man’s side of things (unless they’re in the situation, in which case they rarely think about anything else!) And yes, the insensitivity can be shocking sometimes! Even when folk mean well!

    Thanks for the best wishes 🙂June 27, 2013 – 6:18 pmReplyCancel

  • Melanie - I don’t have any children and I’m not planning for any anytime soon, but I do understand where you’re coming from. I’m anosmic and you REALLY hit home when you mentioned people making suggestions. I would LOVE to have a sense of smell, trust me, I’ve heard ALL the suggestions. It might not come back and I only want to hear suggestions from a trained medical professional.

    Pity angers me. I HATE being pitied. I act stoic in all situations because pity seriously disables me.

    I loved the post. I wish you the best of luck. Keep trying, and, of course, keep blogging.June 28, 2013 – 12:35 amReplyCancel

  • Considerer - Melanie – that must be such a tough thing to live with! In a way at least infertility you can kind of distance yourself from. I really hope that one day your sense of smell comes back soon. My best friend’s mum lost her sense of smell, and she seemed to really struggle to involve herself with simple things like eating, because there were no olfactory cues. It wasn’t a condition I’d ever heard of or really considered prior to that.

    Pity is a very difficult thing to face – on the one level, I totally know that the person is trying to show that they care and are (in some way) supportive, but on the other hand I often just want to punch them. It’s another emotional assault, made worse because it’s usually from someone I know and otherwise like.

    I’ll certainly keep blogging – perhaps one day we’ll both have good news to share. Best wishes to you.June 28, 2013 – 8:26 pmReplyCancel

  • K - I read this a few days ago and completely forgot to post my comment!

    Lizzi, I just want to say that I love this post on so many levels, and I love that there are so many different dimensions to Our Land. Thank you for sharing an aspect of Our Land that I hadn’t considered before. With each passing week, I find myself falling more and more in love with this wonderful world of empathy. xoJuly 2, 2013 – 12:41 pmReplyCancel

  • catherine gacad - This is a beautiful post and captures a lot of what I’ve been feeling as I just lost my baby recently. I’ve been keeping a running list of things that I want to say to people who don’t know what to say when someone like us has experienced this kind of loss.July 2, 2013 – 8:09 pmReplyCancel

  • Jak - Sorry it’s taken me a while to get here. I had it up for a few days, but just now got around to reading it (twice over).

    I wasn’t sure if I should respond or not. In fact, I contemplated trying to contact Kristi to see if what I had to say shouldn’t be said, but I think having to ask that answered the question. I think a lot of what I’d say falls on #6 on that first list, and then thoughts of the first list >.<

    As for the first bullet points, I like the third a lot. That is hard for me to manage with my social anxiety, and a lot of times I am said individual. During my first NaNoWriMo last November I was sitting in the corner observing a crowded room during the initial meet and greet.

    It was shocking I even showed up. It wasn't so bad, but I didn't interact much beyond the tasks given us. As I was sitting there someone came over and began talking to me, and now we are friends, along with some of his other friends. Had he not done that, I may not have ever associated with them, or attending "write-ins" with that group (or any for that matter). It was a very moving gesture that could have just as easily been avoided.

    If I can manage the SA more I hope to be able to do that as well.

    As for the rest, I can't pretend or attempt to believe that I understand what you are going through after what you've experienced. Nothing I've endured has been on that same level, in my opinion. I'm glad that there doesn't seem to be any hostility between you and your husband (which I've heard can occur in such situations) due to the stress/depression and needing to lay "blame".

    I can't lie and say I'm not concerned about the hostility that seemed to be laced throughout the first list, though. I won't go into a big speech or the like. Fact is, you aren't alone (in terms of those who have experienced what you are going through now AND those who are supportive in your current time of need). I can only hope eventually as things progress forward that the first list will get smaller and smaller until it no longer exists.

    I truly hope the process you and your husband are looking over/waiting for works. In the meantime I hope you are offered a good deal of distractions.

    Have your emotions and accept them/process them and try to let them go, as you said it comes in waves or just sporadic, etc etc.

    I guess the saving grace/take to heart piece I take from the first list is to not take things personally. Cause I doubt there is anyone specifically wanting to make you feel like shit. So I guess I believe communication remains the key to keeping some semblance of balance, which is what this piece offers.

    I'm going to shut up now hahaha I will ramble on and on and on.

    I'd give you hugs if I were able! *Hugs* Digi-hugs are all I have now, though 🙁

    Thank you for sharing this, it couldn't have been easy with how personal and sensitive the topic is.

    Jak at The Cryton Chronicles & Dreams in the Shade of InkJuly 3, 2013 – 6:44 amReplyCancel

  • Considerer - K – Our Land is a marvellous place. I am so thrilled to be part of it.

    Catherine – I’m so sorry to hear about your loss 🙁 Talking about it was one of the things I found hardest (well, people talking to me about it, in fact), which inspired the post somewhat. I hope you find it useful.

    Jak – You’re right – there was a lot of hostility in that first list. I know my infertility/miscarriage experience is not the same as everyone else’s, but popular opinion suggests that these are the struggles we (as a group) come up against again and again and again. It’s not that those with children are necessarily doing anything wrong – it’s just that we’re hurting too much to cope with it, and the pain and bewilderment renders us very upset and angry, then upset and angry about BEING upset and angry. It can cycle quite viciously.

    The other person the list is aimed at is the meddler, the ignorant one, the insensitive one. They perhaps don’t know better, but that’s partly why I wrote the list – to educate.

    *HUGS* to youJuly 19, 2013 – 9:21 amReplyCancel

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